FleetingBits @fleetingbits

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FleetingBits @fleetingbits

a hour ago

some thoughts on the difference between oai and anth 1) i think the most important difference between openai and anthropic is cultural; basically, openai is faang while anthropic is ea 2) openai doesn't really believe anything; it's a lot of tech workers from meta, etc... most of the employees are not particularly agi-pilled 3) anthropic has roots in the ea ecosystem; it employs holden karnofsky, joe carlsmith, amanda askell, etc... all deeply connected to effective altruism 4) the founders essentially took an ea pledge; the series a was led by sbf, the series b was led by jaan tallinn (ea or ea adjacent) 5) this gives anthropic a core set of values and an orientation towards the future; it inherits effective altruism's focus on forecasting and ai safety 6) and, it gives it a set of institutions to recruit from and to reinforce its values: open philanthropy, mats, metr, constellation, redwood research, etc... 7) not that these organizations are all ea in particular, but they are part of a larger ea and ea funded ecosystem that curates a particular worldview and set of attitudes 8) openai has no equivalent; there is no concentrated place from which it draws talent or from which it draws a coherent worldview; big tech isn't exactly a reservoir of ideas 9) i think this may be one of the reasons that openai fumbled with their focus on ads and sora rather than focusing on automating the office worker; they were not future focused enough 10) and, it's one of the reasons why it is easier for anthropic to retain talent, there are a lot of voices telling the people working there they are doing the right thing and the most important thing 11) but, believing in nothing in particular, other than the zeitgeist, has its benefits, it can be easier to make deals (see openai's dod deal); and believing in things can make it harder 12) and, this tendency may make openai more responsive to the general political milieu and will probably make it more likely to try to follow the democratic policy discussions rather than lead them 13) and, it is an open question whether we want companies to lead policy making on ai in democratic countries or whether it is better to allow broader society to do this

Joshua Achiam @jachiam0

2 days ago

The OAI / Anthropic values difference is deeply misunderstood, even within the walls of both. Should a loving ensouled machine God watch over humanity? Vote Anthropic. Should humanity be entrusted with the tools of its own progress and destiny? Vote OpenAI.

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FleetingBits @fleetingbits

5 hours ago

@OrionJohnston @LinchZhang i think their problem is that they don't believe in anything. they have a couple of people that write on twitter in a pr fashion. most of their employees are ex-faang. it's just a traditional company in that respect.